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Contentment Is Worse Than Death

 202Question: A viewer asks, “Humanity has come up with all kinds of holidays, but there is no holiday named “The Meaning of Human Life Day.” Why? Does it mean no one needs to find out what the meaning of life is?

Answer: “The Meaning of Life Day” would be a day of mourning, not a holiday. And what is the meaning of life?

One suddenly realizes that there is no sense in life, we live in vain. Life is passing us by every single day. Maybe it would be for the best if it didn’t begin at all.

A holiday, in general, is not for fun. A holiday is to commemorate. So holidays can be tainted with generally sad messages such as “the meaning of life.”

Comment: It would be great if people started searching for the meaning of life.

My Response: Well, people have been looking for it for thousands of years. So what?

Question: Why can’t they find it?

Answer: Because there is no meaning in life.

Question: What does a person live for?

Answer: To ask this question in every generation and not to find an answer.

Question: Is it important to ask this question?

Answer: This question arises from within a person, whether you want it to or not.

Comment: It seems like it’s better not to ask this question, but rather simply live our life without asking it. It’s easier that way.

My Response: Then we remain at the animal level. Humans keep evolving and that’s why we question ourselves about the meaning of life in each new generation more and more.

Question: That is, we can’t help but keep asking this question?

Answer: No, we won’t. The mere fact that we keep questioning ourselves will bring us to the point someday that we will begin to reveal it. I hope it will be very soon.

Question: What is the meaning of human life? Why am I born into this world? To be born, live some 70 to 80 years and then die? For what?

Answer: You live to search. Each person is searching subconsciously. Anyone, a bricklayer, locksmith, artisan, academician, street cleaner… no matter who or how! A drunkard… it doesn’t matter. All of them are engaged in the search for the meaning of life. And they do not even know what motivates them to engage in the search for the meaning of life. Every person, everyone does it.

Comment: Many people say: “I lived my life so well! I achieved a lot.” They seem so reassured as if they had never searched for the meaning of life.

My Response: They simply convince themselves.

Question: But they still have this question inside, don’t they?

Answer: Otherwise, they would not be alive. Every second of our life starts with the fact that a person asks the question: “What am I living for?”

Question: Otherwise, he would not live. He does not realize it and therefore lives through this given second, and again asks himself the same question: “What am I living for?” Over and over again, we go on this way with our lives, but we still lack an answer. Nonetheless, all the same, we enter the quest all over again: “What am I living for?” Thus, we live through the next second, etc. This is how it goes throughout our entire lives. Is this what we call the flow of life?

Answer: Yes. A continuous question about the meaning of life and a constant search for an answer that people do not ever reveal.

Question: What if I never ask myself this question? Are you saying, in fact, that there is no such thing?

Answer: No, it’s not up to you! That is, this question generally precedes our physiological perception. It is the most important and fundamental question of all. It is a spiritual quest: “What do I live for?” After one asks it, our body, all our organs begin to revive, blossom, and develop. As a result of living millions of diverse lives, we conclude that we will indeed find the meaning of life.

Question: What is it?

Answer: To feel the Creator, the source of all life. And we will discover It. However, so far we have continued looking for it. Yet we are already approaching a state where we will begin searching for it in a conscious way.

That is, we can already better imagine what the source of life is, what the Creator is. How, on what basis, with what qualities, and what intentions, can I approach Him, grab hold of Him, draw near Him, and cling to Him like a baby to its mother?

Question: Is this the meaning of life?

Answer: No, it is not. It is simply a tool to connect with the meaning of life. And then when we reach this stage, from there we will be looking for who He is, the Creator, the meaning of life. What does He want from us, what do we expect from Him, why is the entire meaning of life only to be drawn to Him and adhere to Him? And only then from Him will we begin to absorb what the meaning of life is.

Comment: You are telling us that there is no contentment, only a constant search.

My Response: Why do you need contentment? It’s worse than death. It is the denial of existence, it is non-existence, nothingness!

Question: Is there no such thing as retirement in this matter? Is there no pause? Will our search constantly go on? Is there no such thing as a pause?

Answer: Not at all! God forbid!

Question: Is this the pathway to eternity?

Answer: Eternity means to be in constant closeness with Him, holding on to Him, clinging to Him and adhering to Him more and more without end.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 5/12/22

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In Simple Language, What Is Unity?

289Question: Igor writes: “Could you explain to me in simple language what unity is?—the one that you call for all the time, the type that you talk about in every clip, article, broadcast everywhere. Just do not use phrases like “good connections” because we already see that this is from the realm of fiction. Unity as a goal—what is it?”

Answer: In order to reveal the Creator, to feel the Creator, to grasp Him, we need to grasp each other. To the extent that we will see the Creator in everyone. No matter how impossible it may seem to us, how fantastic, and generally repulsive, we need to make sure that every person in the world begins to appear to me as a manifestation of the Creator.

I have to reach a state where I love everyone, I want to be in connection, merge, and unite with everyone. Then I will feel the Creator in this attitude toward them, not in them, but in myself.

Question: That is why you keep saying: “Good connections, search for love.” Is it really searching for the Creator all the time?

Answer: The Creator lives in man. Do you want to reveal the Creator? You have to love someone else, and then you will feel how the Creator awakens in you.

Question: The formula sounds very simple, but it is so complex. It is amazing, of course. But there is no getting away from it?

Answer: There is no need to get away from anything. It is absolute, it is true, it is short, simple in implementation, only difficult.

Question: Are you aware that it is difficult?

Answer: It is impossible.

Question: Then when does it become possible?

Answer: In order for the Creator to help. That is all it takes.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 5/12/22

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Comprehend the Thoughts of God

226I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in certain phenomena in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know God’s thoughts, the rest is details (Albert Einstein).

That is, the basic law of the universe. The basic law of the universe is to bring the entire universe, which consists of one evil, to absolute good.

Question: Does this mean comprehending the thoughts of God?

Answer: Yes. This is His general law of universal egoism, which should gradually transform into the general law of universal altruism.

Question: Do you think Einstein was a Kabbalist?

Answer: In general he understood this system, that everything was created by good, everything that exists and the Creator are good.

Question: When he said: “I want to comprehend the thoughts of God,” was that what he wanted to break through to?

Answer: Yes. Everything will be wonderful.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 3/31/22

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Armageddon Is Not What You Thought

207Comment: Viewers of a clip in which you talk about Armageddon, about the end of the world wrote in response: “It is easy to see that these two people have no idea what Armageddon is. Those who study the Bible know perfectly well that Armageddon will happen in the future because it is a war between God and Satan.”

My Response: They are absolutely right.

Comment: You said that Armageddon exists, the end of the world and this war in general is already happening. It is happening inside of us. This is a fight against egoism, which is rising and trying to defeat us. He says: “This is a fight between God and Satan.” Explain then what he said.

My Response: Satan, in fact, is the greatest human egoism that is within each of us, and it will always reveal itself more and more. God is that positive force concealed from us, which we must also reveal out of nature.

As a result of our actions, we must reveal both God and Satan. Both of them will be revealed within each of us and between us. This state is the war that is called “Armageddon.”

This war is going on inside each of us. Where else can I correct my attitude toward others?

Question: Does it turn out that there is God in me and there is Satan in me?

Answer: Yes, of course.

Satan is from the word “Sote,” that is, the one who strays from the path of bestowal and love. The one who has strayed from the path is called “Satan.”

Question: Then the fight between God and Satan means getting him back on the path. What is the path of God?

Answer: Only toward common adhesion and support, toward such a connection that there is no empty space between us. Then the Creator is revealed within us.

Question: Does it mean that we need to be pressed together?

Answer: Yes, so that we live these feelings.

Comment: You said that Armageddon is happening right now.

My Response: This does not mean that it is happening right now, and later it will not be. It is already beginning to manifest itself.

Question: Do you think that this is just the beginning? That is, is the fight still ahead of us?

Answer: Yes. Baal HaSulam noted that from the beginning of the 20th century onward we are entering the period of the last generation.

Question: Is it precisely the period of the war of Gog and Magog? Will it get worse if we do not understand it?

Answer: It is going to get worse, but I think we can cope with all that and correct ourselves so that all the worst will turn into the best.

Question: Can we avoid the peaks of this war?

Answer: Undoubtedly.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 4/25/22

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Do Not Obscure the Creator with Yourself

253Question: I heard a proverb: “There was no case that a naked person lost anything.”

Is a sense of loss good or bad?

Answer: It depends on how a person looks at it. If he begins to see a loss as an acquisition, that is, he is becoming free, he frees himself to receive something higher, then, of course, go ahead and lose. But this is already not a loss.

Question: Does it then become an acquisition?

Answer: The acquisition of empty space, of a place. A place is already a divine state. This is a place that is getting filled by the Creator.

When we create a Tzimtzum (restriction) within ourselves, we must feel that we are creating and making a place for the revelation of the Creator. Instead, we treat it as some kind of loss.

Give it away, free yourself and find this place. It is the highest one because it is empty.

Question: Are you saying that if the vector is directed to me, then I lost?

Answer: Yes, of course.

Question: And if it is directed, for example, to the Creator, does it mean that I found?

Answer: There is not even such a word as “found.” You give the Creator an opportunity to reveal Himself. You do not obscure Him with yourself.

Question: Can this practically be attributed to all our losses, that all losses are as if acquisitions?

Answer: Absolutely to all of them. It is because if I exist, there is no greater evil than the fact that “I” exist. “I” exist. How to make it so that there is no “I”?

Question: How can this evil be converted into good?

Answer: Only by giving up the fact that I exist.

Question: And what is “I” then?

Answer: Nothing. Make room, do not occupy it, let the Creator be revealed.

Question: So, are you saying, there should not be a single thought about myself, right?

Answer: Absolutely.

Question: What should my thoughts be about?

Answer: I want the Creator to be revealed. I do not want to obscure Him.

Question: You say “I.” What is “I” then, when you say, “I do not want to obscure Him. I want the Creator to be revealed”?

Answer: This is the point I received from Him and apart from this point I have nothing else. This is the point of the Creator from above.

Question: Then what is a naked person in “There was no case that a naked person lost anything”?

Answer: When, apart from this point, he feels nothing else. There is nothing in him besides that point that can only say that this is me, and this is what I want to leave. That is, I cannot refuse it because I received it from the Creator. And besides that, I do not want anything.

There are no words for this.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 12/6/21

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Everything Will Be Fine

294.4Comment: According to the UN, 40% of the world’s lands are defined as degraded, that is, deprived of natural resources, water, trees, vegetation.

This damage is clearly from man’s economic activity from agriculture squeezing everything out of the ground, forests are cut down, minerals are extracted, industrial pollution goes on, and so on.

And so we are approaching starvation. They say that next year, 2023, a serious famine is expected as a result of these wars and environmental disasters.

But still, I want to ask you about the Creator. We hear all the time about what’s going on, all this environmental disaster. The Creator created this blue planet with shade, with water, with minerals, with everything necessary for a person, as if he settled man here. Was it really not clear that a monster with a terrible egoistic nature was settling here?!

Answer: Not a monster. He is given all the conditions in order to realize who he is. And recognition is possible only from the opposite state. Only from the opposite state! And therefore, indeed, although he is a monster, he is given the opportunity to feel himself and raise himself to the highest degree—to the degree of the Creator. The Creator is not capable of such a thing. But we were created by Him specifically in this state.

Question: Meaning that in the beginning, He created us in such magnificent conditions that we are destroying in full now with wars, our attitude, and so on. Was this realized by the Creator?

Answer: Of course.

Question: It means that we have to reach some low point, that we are really savages and beasts? And for this to destroy the whole planet?! Isn’t it a shame?

Answer: Not to destroy it physically, it is enough for us to see what we are doing, to realize.

The fact is that if a person is stupid, then he needs to descend into this state physically. And if he is smart, then he may not sink physically, but it is enough for him to see it from afar. And this will already be enough to understand this state and not desire it.

Comment: But if we don’t feel the master and we feel like we are the masters, then what you say will never happen. We don’t feel that we are robbing and destroying.

My Response: We will start shouting from the pain, from fear, from all the problems: “Where to go?! What to do?!” We have nowhere to get away from this Earth. The earth itself is burning under the feet of humanity.

And then we will begin to feel that we have no other choice but to discover the force that controls us. Then we will begin to feel this force from the point of view of our egoism. Who controls us? Who allowed this? Who did this? Where is the villain who made such conditions for us?!

And at the same time we will begin to realize that we ourselves, it turns out, made it out of good conditions, as it is said: “And God settled man in the Garden of Eden.” And then look at what the little man made of all this. violated all conditions, all laws.

God settled man on this Earth, and he began to destroy it. And he will destroy it almost to the limit. That’s when he will feel that he has no other way out, he must change himself! Not just the Earth and around him, but change himself. As soon as he realizes that the correction of the world is in correcting himself, then he will reach the recognition of evil.

And nothing else is needed. We don’t need evil itself, we only need the recognition of evil. As soon as he realizes the evil and says, “Oh!”, that’s it, the lowest point will be passed, and he will begin to rise.

Comment: But we have destroyed this Garden of Eden. Where are we going to rise? We were given paradise, and we destroyed it.

My Response: It’s all inside us!

Question: And all these resources, all these destroyed lands, ecology?

Answer: No! This is all nonsense! Suddenly you will find that you are sprouting in a completely different place, not on the planet. You don’t need this planet and the physical world. All this is not necessary! All you need is relationships. You only live in relationships, outside of bodies.

This is the heavenly state. This is the real, true state! And our world is called imaginary. You will begin to live in this heavenly state. “And we will settle in it.”

Question: And this world as if it did not exist?

Answer: It is already called an “imaginary world.”

Question: So it’s like it’s done its duty and can disappear?

Answer: Yes, it exists in our uncorrected desires, intentions, and qualities, so that we realize all this and would want to rise to the true state, to get out of this delusion, “were like in a dream,” to get out of this dream.

Comment: The sooner the better.

My Response: It depends on the desire. Everything will happen.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 4/28/22

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Why the Creator and not God?

222Question: Inna asks, “Why do you always say “‘the Creator‘ and not ‘God’?”

Answer: In order to separate the name “God,” which exists in all religions, beliefs, and for all people in general, from the Creator, whom we recognize as a force, the upper, single, and perfect force that created us for a specific purpose.

God is something that exists above us and somehow controls everything. And the Creator is precisely the one who creates. In every second, He creates this world, creates it as if anew. The Creator is a much more personal concept.

God is something like… God! He is outside of me and He constantly exists. The Creator, however, is obligatory, coercive, and expects something from me.

Question: What does He expect from me?

Answer: That I will start demanding corrections from Him. That I will discover that I am completely dependent on Him and only He can give me the state in which I will be similar to Him.

I ask Him to do something and He does. Can you imagine?! On the one hand we are powerless and on the other hand we govern.

Question: Does it mean that I cannot do anything by myself?

Answer: But no one can do anything without me either. That is, I cannot do anything, yet without me asking, demanding, and instructing, nothing will happen.

Question: But how will I ask? How can I ask the Creator to do something?

Answer: Force Him! “My sons defeated Me.” It is in this way that we begin to feel that we are His children and that He created us precisely for such a role. All this is, of course, amazing.

Question: At the beginning you said “not God,” because God for all people is a personal perception. Do you not want a person to be in this perception?

Answer: No. The Creator is the one who creates. He brings the entire creation back to life at every moment. This is why we have to react to this every minute and feel and see the Creator’s creation every second.

The Creator in Hebrew is “Bo u-Reh” (“Come and see”). You have to come, reveal, and see. That is, it is a more extensive name, which has movement in it.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 4/28/22

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We Just Need To Say “Whoosh!”

565.01Comment: Natasha is asking: “You are talking about correction of the world, but it is such a long process, it will all happen sometime in the future. What can we do to realize right now that we urgently need to change our attitude to each other? I see that neither wars nor suffering help. What will help then?”

My Response: It can be a long process when, firstly, it does not depend on us and when it takes place through some external actions. When you need to build something, to do something, or even destroy something.

However, if this is the process of realization, you can say two words to a person, and it will shake him up and that’s it. He realized everything.

Question: What happens within him then? What turns over?

Answer: Cause and consequence. He begins to understand the relationship between cause and consequence. And this changes absolutely everything in him.

He begins to understand the reason why we exist in such a terrible way. The reason is not in you or in me, but in the egoism between us. It means that this egoism is between us, it is not yours and it is not mine, and it is not that you are good and I am bad, or I am good and you are bad, no one is bad! Between us! The Creator specially created egoism between us in advance so that we would understand.

He even says: “I created egoism between you so that you would destroy it. It is in this way that I want you to understand that there can be something opposite of connection, love, and interaction. In this way, you would come to this connection, love, and interaction by removing the opposite.”

Everything that we attain in our world is attained from the opposite state. As they say: “The advantage of the light is from the darkness.”

Therefore, it can happen very fast.

Question: Is this understanding, in fact, the process of correction?

Answer: Yes, when you say, “Ouch!” and besides the pain you understand, in this “ouch,” the cause of this pain. You refuse it in advance, instantly, right there. You do not want it in any way. By this you reach correction. You do not need to do anything else.

Question: Why are we not saying “ouch” now? After all, it seems like the right time.

Answer: We do not understand that this thing that exists between us and prevents everything good is only our egoism.

Question: Why do we always have hope that egoism will lead us out, that it will get better?

Answer: We want to rise above each other. This is the problem.

So how can we humiliate ourselves relative to others? It does not matter what others will think, how they will look at us, what conclusions they will draw from our behavior. We just need to bow our heads down and start acting.

Comment: And we will hear: “Rag! Not a man! Who is he?”

My Response: No, I do not think so. If a person really acts in this way, people will understand that he is doing it consciously.

Question: Does this also apply to the leaders who lead the nations?

Answer: Everyone. To set such a good example. This is when the correction process will begin.

Question: Why can’t the Creator do like in your fairy tale? Like this: “Whoosh!”

Answer: The Creator did everything opposite of this. He must do everything opposite of this. Because only in this way will we attain the greatness, perfection, and the quality of love.

Question: Out of complete lack of love?

Answer: Of course, only like that.

We have to come to the understanding that we are coming to an end. We have no other choice but to make an effort over ourselves to transfer ourselves to the next state.

We just need to say, “Whoosh!” And everything else will happen from above.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 4/28/22

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Everyone Can Become Moses

222Comment: Irina is asking: “During this war and these events that are happening, I suddenly have a feeling that I cannot plan anything, that I do not decide anything, that everything is decided for me. They took away the meaning of living the way I want! I have to live as someone else wants! I feel like an animal being led wherever they want: into slavery—so, into slavery; to slaughter—so, to slaughter. And this is called life! How can I break free out of this circle? This is not life!”

My Response: It has always been that way. You just did not realize that you were being controlled. Now you have grown up internally and feel that you are being controlled. This is a completely different state.

What is this for? In order for you to maybe be able to change yourself. To find out why you are being controlled, who is controlling you, what for, why, and how to change yourself so that you can enter this governance yourself. This is already recognizing that you are in a state of spiritual growth.

All these people and governments are in fact puppets. Who is behind them? The upper force that controls all of us through all sorts of figureheads.

It means that we must understand from where, what for, and why, and try to see this upper force that leads us to a certain state and controls us. To come in contact with it in such a way that we would receive all kinds of control signals directly from it.

Question: So that I receive directly from this force? Roughly speaking, why do I need intermediaries? By this I remove these intermediaries and work directly with it, right?

Answer: Of course. This is the level of Moshe (Moses)—the one who talks directly to the Creator. Everyone can come to this. If we get out of slavery, we reach the level of Moses.

This is why we are driven into such states, so that we come out of them and directly connect ourselves to the upper force that wants to lead us somewhere. We are given all the problems just to turn our attention to the upper force. Therefore, it is said about the Creator that He is very jealous.

Question: Is He jealous because we do not pay attention to Him but to everything that happens around us? And we should pay attention to Him?

Answer: Yes.

Question: So, are you saying that this direct dialogue is not just possible but necessary? Is that where we are being led?

Answer: He will force us to do this. But it is better to do this sooner.

Question: Will every inhabitant of the Earth be directly speaking with the upper force? What will happen then if this fantasy takes place?

Answer: We will discover the upper force within which we exist, which controls us and leads us to the next degree of development.

We will discover that He surrounds us, includes us, and controls us in everything and by everything and wants us to enter into such a connection with Him that we understand His every action, His every signal to us.

Question: Why does He need it?

Answer: So that we rise to His level. Through this we reach our highest state of development—to be like Him, to see everything, to understand everything, to execute everything, to do everything, to be at the highest level of nature. To see everything from one end to the other. That is, we become eternal and perfect.

Comment: As they used to say at school: “Man is the crown of nature.” The man who mutilated everything around him.

My Response: This is the recognition of our current state. It is terrible, of course! Worse than animals! It is out of this recognition that we come to connection.

Question: What about what you say all the time: love, connection, and good relations?

Answer: We must cultivate this within ourselves by force. From this forced cultivation we will come to this feeling. We will come to this.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 4/25/22

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Shavuot: Anything but That

507.05Comment: The holiday of Shavuot is the celebration of the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai. It is also called the Harvest Festival. It turns out that all laws, all morality, all spiritual practices, and all religions start from this point—from Mount Sinai.

My Response: There is an offer from above, a revelation to the world from above of the methodology of its existence and its gradual correction to a level where it enters eternity and perfection.

Question: What was the world told from above?

Answer: The world was told that our world exists at a low, corporeal degree, and we exist in it as the egoistic, most harmful, most insignificant, and worthless ones compared to all other creatures of nature.

However, we have the opportunity to rise to the highest level of all nature, that is, to its upper root, which is in infinity relative to us in height.

And we can do it. Otherwise, our life here on this planet will be continuously interrupted by life and death, life and death for each and every one of us. Between life and death there will also be wars, suffering, hunger, and many, many other problems. Thus, our entire existence will be one continuous suffering.

Question: What was said? How do we move toward this good state that you spoke about?

Answer: It is very simple. The main law of the Torah is “Love your neighbor as yourself.” That is it! And then, go and do it.

Question: Was it said at this precise moment? Why did we not hear it?

Answer: We did not hear anything. We heard what was said, and immediately kind of asked: “Do you have another Torah?” The answer was: “No, there is no other one. This is the best thing for you even though you do not understand it. Therefore, take it and do it.”

Comment: So it turns out that we have been avoiding this simple law for millennia.

My Response: Yes. Anything but that!

Question: Is this what symbolizes the holiday of Shavuot: live by this law and everything will be fine?

Answer: Yes. But Shavuot is already a holiday for advanced people. These are people who were inside their egoism, felt its harmfulness, malignancy, and inevitability. They realized that the only way to get rid of it was to just run away from it—just run away! When they were running away, they were ready for anything, even death just not to stay inside egoism!

This is why they jumped into the sea and crossed over it onto dry land. They reached a state where they were ready to receive the laws of the upper world instead of our egoistic natural laws. Basically, “We shall do and we shall hear.”

This was when they received the Torah. What does it mean to receive the Torah? It means I take upon myself the laws of the upper world. I want to live not in our corporeal world the way we exist today and even worse and worse, this is what the Torah promises us, but to rise higher to the qualities, to the laws of the upper world. Those laws are simple: love for your neighbor, love for everyone, accepting everyone as part of your body, your soul, your “I.”

Question: They are as relevant now as never before?

My Response: Yes, more and more. Since we are egoists, we perceive everything according to what we feel in our egoistic qualities. Therefore, what can we do? We feel that we are living in a wrong way, but we turn a blind eye to the way to live correctly, and we cannot accept this upper law of love for our neighbor.

Why do you not do it? Are you going to pay something for this? No. Will you suffer from this? No. You do not immediately encounter some kind of opposite rejections, antagonistic relationships—nothing like that! Just go ahead and do it. “I cannot!”

Now if, on the contrary, there was such a game that there is an enemy against you, and you are against him. Here, however, even this enemy is not visible; it is inside you, your egoism, and you cannot do anything. Therefore, it buys us in this way.

Question: What about this serpent within me? How can I conquer it anyway? The time has finally come!

Answer: It is an entire methodology. It says here how to do it.

Basically, it is not me doing it but the upper force. It does everything—but according to my request.

I can only make a request if it is supported by other people around me. I will think about their correction and not about my correction, and this is how we will help each other together. Just connect with a few more friends in the fact that you want to reach such a mutual connection.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 5/30/22

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