Explain to me please, how can intelligent, thinking, educated people agree that a woman is made of a man’s rib, that snakes can speak, that there are magical apples in a paradise and you can eat them and know the truth, and many, many other things like that on every page of the Bible.
Where does our reason disappear? We clearly see that there is no such thing in nature. Why do we agree? This is why I am an atheist since I cannot agree with this. How do you, an intelligent, educated person, explain this to yourself? (Oleg)
My Response: I explain it to myself very simply. I just delve into what the Bible says, sink my teeth into it, and dig into it. There I find completely different explanations, different layers that amaze me. They do not simply satisfy me, but amaze me with their explanation and depth.
I discover such continuous, consecutive findings that I see that for those who do not want to attain them, our world, even without a biblical or some other interpretation, remains a mystery and worthless anyway. But the one who digs into this text and understands its allegory, really reveals the upper world for himself.
Question: In your program “Secrets of the Eternal Book” you explain this a lot. But for those who are asking now: What is this surface layer for when they write “snake,” or when they write “a woman is made of a man’s rib”? Why confuse humanity? Can they just say, “Let’s look inside” and to describe what is inside?
Answer: People looked at the root of the action, at the root of the problem, and therefore described it this way.
Question: So, they look at the root of the problem and write “serpent.” What problem do they see?
Answer: They see that from all our world, a similarity to this action can produce an image of a serpent.
Question: What action are we talking about?
Answer: That it lies, that it thinks only of himself, slanders, and so on. The feeling of the inner forces of the world leads them to such a language. Basically, when they were writing it, they felt these inner forces and desires.
Question: Can we say that this is behind every word of the Torah?
Answer: Absolutely everything is like that! Behind every word.
Question: What is the Torah about? Let’s say people do not know. They think that this is really a body of laws, that it is such a historical book that talks about the history of the people. It actually is there.
Answer: All of it is also there, of course.
Question: The commandments are also there: what to do, what not to do, let’s say. In general, what is the Torah written about?
Answer: It is about a person, about his place in nature, about his history, and his future.
Question: When you say “about a person,” is it about every person?
Question: So how should I look at it; is it an external text or is it about me?
Answer: It is about you.
Question: Is this how I should start reading?
Answer: Yes. In general, this book itself is a guide for you and the world in which you exist.
Question: “The world,” do you mean this world in which I live now? In which we live with you?
Answer: Of course, yes.
Question: This book that was written 3,000 years ago, is it about today’s world?
Answer: Of course.
Question: What does it say? What is it really calling me to?
Answer: It urges you not to stay in a limited vision of this world, but to try to reveal it more deeply.
Question: What will I see?
Answer: The forces that control you and the world around you. Then you will see, discover, reveal, and get acquainted with a single force that is concealed behind the manifestation of these various forces.
Question: Does it mean that this book leads me to this single force? The more I look into it, remove the layers, the closer I will come to this single force. Is that the purpose of this book?
Question: So, are we talking about the Creator?
Answer: Of course.
Question: The last question then. Oleg asks. He looks at it, of course, the way he sees everything around. He says: “We do not see this in nature.” This is his opinion. Such a single-layered opinion so far. But still, please tell me, what is the “Garden of Eden”? What kind of force is this?
Answer: The Garden of Eden, paradise, is a state of a person when he attains all the layers of nature in depth. This is the feeling of a person. The fulfillment he receives at that time is called “Garden of Eden,” a “tree of good and evil” and so on.
Question: What does it mean that a woman is made of a man’s rib? Eve was made out of Adam’s rib.
Answer: A man and a woman here represent two parts of the universe. The woman is more lively, intelligent, and I would say insidious. But at the same time, she fulfills the program of creation. She pushes the man to be more active. Which, in principle, is true up to our day.
Now it is still difficult for us to understand where the role of a man is here and where the role of a woman is here. But, in principle, they are interconnected in such a way as to reveal in all the actions of nature, the force, role, plan, and purpose of the Creator.
Question: Then what is called a “rib”? What is it?
Answer: A rib is that part of the desire of a person, of a man, which can be combined with the desire of a woman and correctly coexist with her. That is the part in a man that can become the basis of a woman.
Question: When you say “man,” what do you mean?
Answer: The quality of bestowal. And a woman is the quality of reception.
Question: The last question is a serpent; what is a serpent?
Answer: A serpent is a cunning one, I would say, in which the Creator hides, through which He shows a man and a woman how compatible they can be only in a certain connection with each other. Therefore, such a connection of a man and a woman with the help of a serpent is the beginning of life.
Question: When you say “serpent,” is it a force, is it a desire? What is it?
Answer: It is the force of desire.
Question: Why is he whispering to a woman? Here he comes to her and whispers: “Come on, do the forbidden, tell him…” Why is he egging on if the Creator is within it, as you say?
Answer: Because you cannot do this in a direct way, but only through deception, as it were.
But deception is actually a holy deception. Not in the name of deceiving and stealing, profiting, taking possession of something else, and in someone else. Because the very nature of creation is false, and it is necessary to deceive it. It is necessary to bring a person from a state of evil to a state of good, so the serpent does a big serious work.
That is, our world directs to evil in order to come to evil, and here it directs to evil in order to come to good.
Comment: It means that the serpent performs a great function.
My Response: A serpent?! It is the basis of life.
But to this day we are experiencing these problems and cannot understand where this serpent is, how to pull it out of us, remove it, and how to get rid of it. It surrounds us and is inside us. It rubs with us all the time.
Question: What is the future for the serpent and for us? Is it going to whisper like that, are we going to follow it like that? Will everything keep happening like this?
Answer: No, we have to reveal the true picture of the world, and then we can correct the serpent.
Question: What is the true picture? What should we reveal?
Answer: We must all together grab this “serpent” that is between us and hold it until it agrees to work together with us, and act together with us. When it says: “I agree,” we will believe it. And the world will suddenly become different.
Question: You say: “So that it would work with us,” and then where would we come with it, all together?
Answer: To reveal the truth, which is in being in the serpent’s wisdom, but for the sake of others.
Question: What did you mean by “serpent’s wisdom”?
Answer: This is wisdom.
Question: Why did you call it the serpent’s one? It sounded very beautiful!
Answer: Because the serpent has it. It is located between all the elements of nature and is ready to connect everything in order to take the best that each part of the element of nature has for the sake of others.
Question: Is this the serpent? So, is it something high?
Answer: There is nothing higher than it.
Question: Can the serpent be called something else? We called it strength and desire. What else can you call a serpent?
Answer: It is the upper wisdom.
Question: Why is it said that “it should crawl on the ground”? When it sinned, whispered to Eve, it was told: “From now on you will not walk, you will crawl on the ground and eat dust,” and so on. Why?
Answer: Because it told the person what the cause of his suffering was, and showed the person the correct solution.
Comment: It should be praised for this, but instead…
My Response: The fact is that the serpent must. The Bible does not seem to say this, but it must tell and show a person, reveal the future to a person, that is, bring Adam and Eve to the Garden of Eden. To the same Garden of Eden in which they were born and developed, but in a corrected form.
Question: So, after everything that happened, and there was a fall into our world from this Garden of Eden, do we need to go through this world with all its suffering and wars and climb back into the Garden of Eden? Is this the work of the serpent?
Answer: Yes. Then the Garden of Eden will be revealed all over the earth. Forever.
From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 8/7/23