Question: Alfred Nobel, the one after whom the famous Nobel Prize is named, turns out to have worked seriously for war. He invented a detonator, dynamite, explosive mixtures, and built military factories. It is reported that in 1888, an obituary accidentally appeared in the newspaper stating that he had died. His brother had died, but a newspaper reported him to be dead.

Suddenly, obituaries and articles about him labeled him “The merchant of death, who grew rich by developing ways to maim, mutilate, and kill, and the dynamite king.” This story turned him upside down. He did not want to die with humanity remembering him only as a villain. And he bequeathed all his fortune to create a fund, the interest from which would be given to those who bring the greatest help to humanity.

Does a person not want to remain a villain in people’s memory?

Answer: This is very important for a person.

Question: If I have been doing evil all my life, I want to leave in a way to be remembered that I am a righteous man? I ate up people, and they will say that I, on the contrary, helped people and so on.

Answer: Yes. He has done a lot of evil to humanity by inventing all this.

Question: He invented it, built military factories, and earned money from it. This money is largely bloody, it turns out.

Is public opinion such a crazy lever that it can turn the villain over? Here it turned him around. He wanted to leave as a man.

Today we see how many villains there are in the world. If everything is directed at turning them over, can public opinion be built so that they turn around? Is it possible or not?

Answer: No, they control public opinion, they do not care. They work on humanity in such a way that they remain just good boys in public opinion.

Question: Can I be free from public opinion? A lot of people write, “I am free.”

Answer: Everyone writes it. That is why they write. No one is free, and it puts a lot of pressure on everyone.

Question: In principle, is it possible to lead a person like this, to regulate him? It is public opinion.

Answer: If public opinion understood itself well and correctly influenced people, the world would be different.

Question: So, are you laying your hopes on this?

Answer: I do not have any hopes because society is such that it is not interested in this. And the person will pay another couple of million, and there will be a good opinion. You see how all the mass media are bought.

Comment: Yes. And they build public opinion. I was with you in 2006 in Arosa. You had an Arosa Report. Peacemakers gathered there, those who wanted to make the world a better place. You went there in the hope that you could convince them of this.

In your report in Arosa, you said that if we create such a public opinion that we encourage only those who are engaged in giving back to society, doing good deeds, then the world will slowly begin to change. At that time, you still had hope that the world would change.

My Response: It was a different time, 17 years ago.

Question: So, was it time of some hope?

Answer: Of course.

Question: What happened during this period?

Answer: Humanity has become completely different. For the worse. Today I would not say that at all. Then they listened to it with some interest.

Comment: Not with some, but with great interest. I was just on the camera, filming the audience that was listening. There was a professors, there were the luminaries of the world. And they all listened very carefully. Very! To the whole report.

My Response: I would not say that today. It would sound naive.

Question: If we create good media, if we create such a public opinion?

Answer: It will not help in any way. In no way!

Question: Did something happen to you or did something happen to the world?

Answer: No, it is such an egoistic movement in the world that absolutely no one cares about anything. We do not even need any proof here.

I do not believe in a good change in the world at all. I only believe that humanity will bring itself to such a state—I hope not to the final one—when it realizes that it needs to change seriously.

Question: So are you saying that only when humanity is horrified it will change? Is this the direction you have today?

Answer: Yes, it should see its end.

Question: Do you have any hopes? We are talking, we are broadcasting something, you are broadcasting something, one way or another many, many people are watching this.

Answer: I hope people will see that they are going to a quick and inevitable end. And then, perhaps, they will understand that there must be some way out. But they do not see this way out.

Tell people today: “Let us treat each other well!” So, what is next?

Comment: Yes. They will immediately remember the cartoon about Leopold the cat: “Let’s live peacefully.” All the time there was: “Let’s live peacefully.” This is a childish approach for them. And it is very high for you.

My Response: This is a very high approach, but, unfortunately, it sounds impossible. Although I do not laugh at it and understand that, in principle, that is how it should be. But how much suffering humanity still must go through before it says, “Enough is enough!”

Question: But one step before the abyss, what will humanity or man suddenly think about?

Answer: I think that when people realize that they are losing everything, for example, children, something so terrible that there is nowhere to run or turn away to, and it is necessary to make a decision, in this case, perhaps they will agree to change something. Because the change will still come from above, but only when we are ready for it. This readiness is like this: when children and grandchildren are under threat of death, disappearance, and extermination, then we will be able to do something with ourselves.

Comment: But this is such formula that I cannot stop on the way, but only must come to this point.

My Response: Yes, we move on this way and cannot stop.

Question: So, neither my mind nor logic will work?

Answer: There must be a feeling, and the feeling is the most internal: dead-end, inescapable. But let us hope that, on one hand we will do something with our dissemination. But, on the other hand, humanity must see its end and decide. I think it can be done.

Question: So, can it be heard?

Answer: Yes. You see, if Nobel was turned upside down, then other people can be too.

Question: Do you still have this hope, some kind of a tiny dot?

Answer: There must be a way out. Otherwise, our whole existence is meaningless. But how do we make it happen quickly, smoothly, and maybe even in some way manageable? This is a problem.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 5/29/23

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