Question: UNESCO plans to send information about the cultural heritage of humanity to the Moon. They are translating it into 275 languages and significantly investing in this. The capsule will be sent aboard a Japanese automated module. This decision was explained as a necessity to preserve some information about the human race in case of a global catastrophe on Earth.

Do you think anyone will need the experience of humanity that managed to destroy itself?

Answer: No, but that is just what we are accustomed to do.

Question: Do you think no one will need it after all?

Answer: I think humanity is still in such an embryonic state that any possible other civilizations are several levels higher.

Question: So are we some kind of children?

Answer: Yes, therefore it is very easy to scan us.

Question: Are we, as you said, petty egoists on the surface of this Earth and that is it?

Answer: Yes.

Comment: And all the experience, all culture, all the science, all the millennia of development—all of that…

My Response: What about science? Science exists in nature and is open to all. Art is also very relative as it depends on the organs of perception.

I believe that no one needs this. But humanity wants to cheer itself up a bit, to uplift itself, as if to say: “Look at what we are doing, we are declaring to everyone who we are and what we are.”

Question: What do you think if we received a message now that once there were people who created a civilization here, some living beings, and then they killed each other and disappeared, would that study teach us anything?

Answer: No, that is how it was, but it did not teach us anything.

Question: Do we even know why they destroyed each other?

Answer: It is the usual human egoistic nature.

Question: Did this knowledge not lead us anywhere?

Answer: Nowhere, of course.

Question: Why does experience not teach us?

Answer: It is not even in our genes to be afraid of this. There is nothing at all.

Question: Why did the Creator exclude this possibility in us?

Answer: So that we would be independent from our nature.

Question: So if we are dependent on our nature, we learn nothing?

Answer: No.

Question: And if we become independent of it, then who do we learn from?

Answer: That is impossible!

Question: Is it a catch-22?

Answer: Yes.

Question: How can we navigate through this?

Answer: We need to reach the level of anti-egoistic interaction with each other.

Question: What is that?

Answer: As it is said in Kabbalah—faith above reason.

Question: So is all our interaction egoistic?

Answer: It is absolutely egoistic. And we have no possibility to exist if we do not rise above this nature.

Question: On the other hand you say that it is also not easy to rise above nature.

Answer: It is not easy, but it is possible.

Question: Do we need to have a proof of this—that there were people who rose above? We come back again to the fact that people who rose above have some experience?

Answer: No. In principle, we did not have such examples in the past.

Question: Where does your confidence come from that this is possible?

Answer: Because the Torah states so, and it was given for this purpose. We need to use the Torah to rise above our nature.

Comment: Please tell me, you just used the phrase “faith above reason.” This is actually the basis of Kabbalah.

My Response: Yes.

Question: Can you explain it simply to ordinary people? What is “faith above reason”? I live according to reason, right?

Answer: Yes, we live entirely according to reason. But we need to rise to the next degree, the degree of faith above reason.

Question: Does this mean that I just believe?

Answer: No, it does not mean just believing. It means governing yourself from the degree above our egoistic nature.

Question: Should I imagine myself being on this degree?

Answer: It is impossible to imagine. So it is a problem, but it is solvable. I think that ultimately humanity will solve it.

Question: Basically, we understand what faith below reason is. It means that we are told: “Believe.” Is that below reason?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Faith at the level of reason is also more or less understandable. This is science, which says: “I have proven it.” This can be so. But faith above reason, you say, is a degree above reason that we need to reach?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Essentially, is the Creator on this degree?

Answer: I think the Creator is beyond this degree. But to rise to this degree, we need the Creator.

Question: Does He want us to do this?

Answer: Yes.

Question: What does He do to help us rise to this degree?

Answer: He responds to our prayers. If we truly want this, desire it, and ask Him, He will do it.

Question: If I truly rise to the level of faith above reason, if we rise to this level, what does my state become?

Answer: You begin to feel the force of the Creator who fills all of nature, and you are in contact with Him.

Question: What is your definition of the Creator whom I begin to feel?

Answer: The upper force in which we exist.

Question: What is it like?

Answer: The force of goodness, the force of care.

Question: Do I begin to flow in this state?

Answer: Yes, it becomes your natural state.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 7/1/24

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