Answer: Scientists say that there is no matter as such, but there are only waves that manifest as matter relative to us.
Question: It turns out that if I look at the ten through my egoism, then I see ten bodies. If I look at them through eyes that aren’t influenced by egoism, I would see some kind of energy, some kind of force, instead of the bodies. Is this how the Kabbalist perceives everything?
Answer: The Kabbalist within his egoism sees everything the same way all other people do. But by rising above the ego, he begins to see forces, desires.
From the Kabbalah Lesson in Russian 12/11/16