Childbirth is a painful process, especially if a person is giving birth to themselves, and even more so in mature years (Stanisław Jerzy Lec).

Answer: That is true.

Question: When it is said that you will give birth in pain, could it be that this refers not to our physical birth but to the birth of a human within a human?

Answer: In general, it might be so. But in any case, whether it is this or that birth, it is still painful. The Creator specifically made it this way. It is said: “In pain you will give birth.”

Question: But why not give birth in joy, without suffering, without pain?

Answer: I would say that it is indeed a paradox. Because out of all creatures, I think humans suffer the most during childbirth.

Question: That is true. Now, think about how women used to give birth before all these painkillers?

Answer: I think it was easier for them.

Comment: That is, they could give birth without any painkillers.

My Response: They would go somewhere aside and give birth.

Question: Why was it simpler before? The pain was the same, but the attitude toward pain was probably different.

Answer: No, I think the pain was different too. People were more accustomed to pain. They endured all suffering much more easily and, in general, understood that there was no other way, nothing else you could do, you had to give birth.

Question: So in principle, the closer we were to nature, the easier it was to give birth? As soon as concrete and asphalt separated us from nature, we began to give birth with even more suffering, and we needed painkillers?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Now about the birth, as it is said here: “And in mature years, one gives birth to oneself.” What does this mean to you?

Answer: It is spiritual birth.

Question: Why should it be painful?

Answer: It is a long process during which a person must clearly determine if they want to be spiritually born or not. And they must put themselves in such a state and ask the Creator to perform such actions on them.

Question: Is this what is meant by suffering?

Answer: In general, suffering is the process against a person’s natural desires.

Question: Does a person want to be born or not?

Answer: A person still wants to be born. And the Creator wants a person to be born. And they help each other. But still, through pain; there is no other way.

Question: Does everything have to go through pain, what do you think?

Answer: Yes, understanding where you are and where you need to go, being born, the way you go through this narrow path from the womb into this world—it is all suffering.

Question: Sorry for such a question: did you suffer during this long period of your involvement with this science?

Answer: No, but who knows what will happen next.

Question: But before that, was there suffering?

Answer: Yes.

Question: So it is not even the birth itself but the preceding sufferings, like pre-birth pains?

Answer: Yes.

Question: So the whole search and so on, all the depressions is all a kind of pre-birth?

Answer: Yes.

Comment: And then when you suddenly feel that you have found…

My Response: That is joy.

Question: Is it possible to swim in this joy, swim, swim, and swim?

Answer: Yes, while crying.
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 7/15/24

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