Question: By the road stood the trunk of a dried-up tree. At night, a thief passed by and got scared; he thought it was a policeman. A young man in love walked by, and his heart joyfully skipped a beat; he mistook the tree for his beloved. A frightened child, influenced by scary stories, saw the tree, and burst into tears. But in all cases, the tree was just a tree. “We see the world as we are.”

Could you please tell me, what does it say about us if today we see the world in wars, suffering, troubles, and so on?

Answer: We are a reflection of the world. Essentially if we perceive the world as full of suffering, it means that we ourselves are fundamentally like that. And deep inside we don’t actually wish to see the world differently. We, in fact, want it to stay that way. We cannot rise above what we feel. That is the problem.

Question: So do we want this suffering?

Answer: Yes, we are accustomed to it; we dwell in it. And that’s the problem.

Comment: But that’s essentially anti-life.

My Response: That’s where we are.

Question: So we’re not really living?

Answer: We are not living.

Comment: It’s a complete turnaround: that we want suffering.

My Response: Our entire history, the history of all humanity, is just a continuous flow of suffering.

Comment: But we think we were set up for this. And even in the Torah, it is said: “Go and suffer.”

Essentially, it is said that you will suffer. So, we are not responsible, we are not carrying it with us, we were put in this position. And you’re saying it lives within us.

My Response: I believe it is our fault. We don’t wish to rise above this degree. We don’t want to!

Question: So the whole task is to want?

Answer: To want to overturn all of this, to break free from this tangle of suffering.

Question: What does a person need to do for that?

Answer: A person needs to stop hating others, to bring oneself closer to others. And then everything will change.

Question: Does he need to understand that he wants to suffer, wants suffering?

Answer: Yes, I think we just need to forbid ourselves to suffer because by suffering, you provoke suffering in the world. Wake up and sing!

Question: So if you’re in pain, wake up and sing. Like that song: “Wake up and sing, try in life at least once…”?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Now, here’s a question. Later, all of them – the child, the lover, the thief – found out in the end that it was just a tree, what they were afraid of. What do we need to find out? What is in front of us?

Answer: The Creator! Nothing else! And He constantly creates these scenes, visions for us to be afraid and gradually come to an understanding of these mirages.

Question: So, my desire for suffering should turn into what is in front of me…?

Answer: Mirage.

Question: And I don’t have the right to suffer, you say?

Answer: No! As soon as you start to suffer, this mirage turns into materialistic actions, scenes.

Comment: Wars and so on.

My Response: Yes, but if you don’t allow suffering, even if it seems like it is there, then everything is corrected.

Question: And then I slowly start to see the Creator?

Answer: Yes.

Question: When you say “Creator,” what do you mean? What is in front of me, in front of us?

Answer: The force that governs the world, us, and that wants to lead us to the realization of the correct state of nature and ourselves.

Question: What is that state?

Answer: Joy!
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From KabTV’s “News with Dr. Michael Laitman” 1/1/24

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